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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwight Vietzke, what the dickens are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwight Vietzke, what the dickens are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Vietzke</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Vietzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

Hey, I didn&#039;t mean to offend anyone... so sorry if I did. My interests are stricly outside of Apple&#039;s App store. I really could care less about iPhone apps since I don&#039;t have an iPhone myself. I was really just curious about the javascript interface for use on the web in general. The idea being, my web page responds to movement, camaras, sound, etc. from the iPhone (and later other phones). And you may be right, maybe this would render Apple app&#039;s less exclusive (circumvent is such a harsh word), but I guess that is my point. Eventually some manufacturer will allow javascript to access advanced features on their pda&#039;s or smartphones. I just wondered if PhoneGap did (or will).

So I guess my answer is no. As long as PhoneGap works with iPhone app&#039;s, it will never expose functionality to a user&#039;s browser. I do appreciate the honesty.

All I was saying was that I can see why Apple would be kind of touchy about your basic &#039;design once&#039; for multiple platforms talk. Once an os allows it (Android?), PhoneGap or something like it, might become much more useful if it could provide a framework which allowed std methods of adding advanced features access to any pda or smartphone&#039;s web browser.

No worries though. Someone will do it if it makes $ense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Hey, I didn&#8217;t mean to offend anyone&#8230; so sorry if I did. My interests are stricly outside of Apple&#8217;s App store. I really could care less about iPhone apps since I don&#8217;t have an iPhone myself. I was really just curious about the javascript interface for use on the web in general. The idea being, my web page responds to movement, camaras, sound, etc. from the iPhone (and later other phones). And you may be right, maybe this would render Apple app&#8217;s less exclusive (circumvent is such a harsh word), but I guess that is my point. Eventually some manufacturer will allow javascript to access advanced features on their pda&#8217;s or smartphones. I just wondered if PhoneGap did (or will).</p>
<p>So I guess my answer is no. As long as PhoneGap works with iPhone app&#8217;s, it will never expose functionality to a user&#8217;s browser. I do appreciate the honesty.</p>
<p>All I was saying was that I can see why Apple would be kind of touchy about your basic &#8216;design once&#8217; for multiple platforms talk. Once an os allows it (Android?), PhoneGap or something like it, might become much more useful if it could provide a framework which allowed std methods of adding advanced features access to any pda or smartphone&#8217;s web browser.</p>
<p>No worries though. Someone will do it if it makes $ense.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nachbaur</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nachbaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-599&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mark Holton &lt;/a&gt; 
Yes, that indeed is accurate.  I&#039;ve recently gotten a client&#039;s app released to the app store, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parkingmobility.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Parking Mobility&lt;/a&gt;.  Apple&#039;s developers were doing a full technical review of PhoneGap, apparently, and were holding all PhoneGap-based apps in their queue until they finished.  That&#039;s why many developers were getting automated emails saying their apps were taking longer than usual.

Parking Mobility is built on PhoneGap, and once Apple, and then Apple&#039;s developers, vetted PhoneGap it was a simple matter for Parking Mobility to get approved.  Admittedly, we had done a ton of work to make the app rock solid before releasing.  So if you don&#039;t commit to the same degree of pre-release bug testing, you might have Apple reject your app due to legitimate problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-599" rel="nofollow">@Mark Holton </a><br />
Yes, that indeed is accurate.  I&#8217;ve recently gotten a client&#8217;s app released to the app store, <a href="http://www.parkingmobility.com/" rel="nofollow">Parking Mobility</a>.  Apple&#8217;s developers were doing a full technical review of PhoneGap, apparently, and were holding all PhoneGap-based apps in their queue until they finished.  That&#8217;s why many developers were getting automated emails saying their apps were taking longer than usual.</p>
<p>Parking Mobility is built on PhoneGap, and once Apple, and then Apple&#8217;s developers, vetted PhoneGap it was a simple matter for Parking Mobility to get approved.  Admittedly, we had done a ton of work to make the app rock solid before releasing.  So if you don&#8217;t commit to the same degree of pre-release bug testing, you might have Apple reject your app due to legitimate problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Holton</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Holton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thanks for all the work on PhoneGap, and for this dialog in public.  As a developer, both are quite helpful.  PhoneGap is imho ingenious, and a great dev path for mobile devices.  I hope this path matures and becomes streamlined.

I see that the AppStore has approved &gt; 50 iPhone apps with PhoneGap currently, was wondering, does that mean this issue with the extra-critical approval process of phonegap iphone apps has been put to rest?  

It reads to me as: if your app is solid, whether built with PhoneGap or elsewhere, it will be accepted along the same [somewhat painful] AppStore approval processes as anyone else?  Is that an accurate statement?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks for all the work on PhoneGap, and for this dialog in public.  As a developer, both are quite helpful.  PhoneGap is imho ingenious, and a great dev path for mobile devices.  I hope this path matures and becomes streamlined.</p>
<p>I see that the AppStore has approved &gt; 50 iPhone apps with PhoneGap currently, was wondering, does that mean this issue with the extra-critical approval process of phonegap iphone apps has been put to rest?  </p>
<p>It reads to me as: if your app is solid, whether built with PhoneGap or elsewhere, it will be accepted along the same [somewhat painful] AppStore approval processes as anyone else?  Is that an accurate statement?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nachbaur</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nachbaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-567&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Dwight Vietzke &lt;/a&gt; 
That&#039;s fine; if PhoneGap doesn&#039;t do what you want, then just don&#039;t use it.  PhoneGap isn&#039;t trying to solve your problem, which frankly doesn&#039;t seem solvable on the App Store.  It looks to me like you&#039;re trying to circumvent the App Store, and whether you build something in PhoneGap or anything else, Apple won&#039;t accept it.

PhoneGap is a platform for developing apps, and nothing else.  It&#039;s not trying to be a web-app generator, portal, mini-app store or anything else.  Look into what it&#039;s actually meant for, since there&#039;s plenty of documentation and descriptions of what it&#039;s used for.

And in my communications with Apple directly, they&#039;re actually quite excited about the prospect of PhoneGap.  It lowers the barrier to entry for creating applications on the iPhone and other devices, allowing developers who don&#039;t or can&#039;t code in Objective-C to publish applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-567" rel="nofollow">@Dwight Vietzke </a><br />
That&#8217;s fine; if PhoneGap doesn&#8217;t do what you want, then just don&#8217;t use it.  PhoneGap isn&#8217;t trying to solve your problem, which frankly doesn&#8217;t seem solvable on the App Store.  It looks to me like you&#8217;re trying to circumvent the App Store, and whether you build something in PhoneGap or anything else, Apple won&#8217;t accept it.</p>
<p>PhoneGap is a platform for developing apps, and nothing else.  It&#8217;s not trying to be a web-app generator, portal, mini-app store or anything else.  Look into what it&#8217;s actually meant for, since there&#8217;s plenty of documentation and descriptions of what it&#8217;s used for.</p>
<p>And in my communications with Apple directly, they&#8217;re actually quite excited about the prospect of PhoneGap.  It lowers the barrier to entry for creating applications on the iPhone and other devices, allowing developers who don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t code in Objective-C to publish applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Vietzke</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Vietzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very important post. Many thanks.

I just came across Phonegap and I think part of the problem is the way I want to use it. If you use it as an &#039;app&#039; generator which happens to be cross-browser/device capable, then Apple has no problem with it (maybe). If you use it as a cross-browser/device interface, ie. you load (purchase) it once (or not at all) on all different devices, and then the web developer has access to mobile functionality, Apple won&#039;t go there since you won&#039;t need the &#039;app&#039; store any more. And of course, this is exactly what I want to do.

So Phonegap has little interest for me, since I don&#039;t build &#039;apps&#039; for the i-Phone store and all I want is cross-browser functionality. If it is &#039;controlled&#039; by the device maker and not really &#039;open source&#039; in the sense that use is independent of the manufacturer&#039;s acceptance, which can be rejected at any time, why would I want to invest must time and effort with it?

I might be wrong, but I don&#039;t think Phonegap&#039;s long term interests are really in line with Apple&#039;s. Being able to create apps which work on a multitude of phones at one clip doesn&#039;t sell more Apple apps.

Please don&#039;t get me wrong, Phonegap looks like great code, well written and just what developers want. Just expressing concerns that could be long term problems. Any thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very important post. Many thanks.</p>
<p>I just came across Phonegap and I think part of the problem is the way I want to use it. If you use it as an &#8216;app&#8217; generator which happens to be cross-browser/device capable, then Apple has no problem with it (maybe). If you use it as a cross-browser/device interface, ie. you load (purchase) it once (or not at all) on all different devices, and then the web developer has access to mobile functionality, Apple won&#8217;t go there since you won&#8217;t need the &#8216;app&#8217; store any more. And of course, this is exactly what I want to do.</p>
<p>So Phonegap has little interest for me, since I don&#8217;t build &#8216;apps&#8217; for the i-Phone store and all I want is cross-browser functionality. If it is &#8216;controlled&#8217; by the device maker and not really &#8216;open source&#8217; in the sense that use is independent of the manufacturer&#8217;s acceptance, which can be rejected at any time, why would I want to invest must time and effort with it?</p>
<p>I might be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think Phonegap&#8217;s long term interests are really in line with Apple&#8217;s. Being able to create apps which work on a multitude of phones at one clip doesn&#8217;t sell more Apple apps.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t get me wrong, Phonegap looks like great code, well written and just what developers want. Just expressing concerns that could be long term problems. Any thought?</p>
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		<title>By: PhoneGap officially permitted on the App Store &#124; Web Developer's Life in Beta</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>PhoneGap officially permitted on the App Store &#124; Web Developer's Life in Beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;d like to announce that I&#8217;ve made headway with my interactions with Apple. They were convinced by my argument that PhoneGap-based apps, just like any other apps developed by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;d like to announce that I&#8217;ve made headway with my interactions with Apple. They were convinced by my argument that PhoneGap-based apps, just like any other apps developed by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and happy birthday btw !</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Nice posts, thanks for sharing. After some work on objectiv C, I was wondering if I&#039;ll start using phonegap for small project that could benefit the cross platform feature. The &quot;hit or miss&quot; startegy on the other hand is really not a good one. Any update on that subject ? Did you stop using phonegap ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Nice posts, thanks for sharing. After some work on objectiv C, I was wondering if I&#8217;ll start using phonegap for small project that could benefit the cross platform feature. The &#8220;hit or miss&#8221; startegy on the other hand is really not a good one. Any update on that subject ? Did you stop using phonegap ?</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
		<link>http://nachbaur.com/blog/updates-on-apple-phonegap/comment-page-1#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are you posting more again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are you posting more again?</p>
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